Re: [lojban] Is it a lie?

[Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>]

To me, at least "deception" is intentionally acting in a way that causes the listener to believe something you know not to be true; "lying" is actually saying something you know not to be true (with the intent of deception); "asshole" is a value judgement, not directly related to either of the above. :)

Also, weirdly, I refuse to lie, but have no qualms about deception in general.

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 10:11 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

But then, you are not a Nazi,  It is all relative as to whether telling a known
untruth or disguising a truth to mislead is counted as a lie (definitely bad) or
not.

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From: tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 7:20:22 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Is it a lie?

On 2 July 2011 07:13, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> I don't see a significant distinction between "you are lying" and
> "you are being a deceptive asshole".

Schindler lied to the Nazis in order to save innocent people's lives,
and I don't think he was being a deceptive asshole.

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