Re: [lojban] girzu gi'i gunma gi'i se gunma

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:58 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/7/16 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>> "lo" covers the non-distributive sense of "loi" (i.e. "lo" allows both distributive and non-distributive).
>
> Does "non-distributive" mean "collective"?

If collective is the complement of distributive, yes. If there's
something else that is neither distributive nor collective, then it's
part of non-distributive.

> The BPFK defines "fa'u" as:
>
>  "Respectively. Joins two sumti into one sumti. The referents of the
> resulting sumti are the referents of both sumti considered jointly and
> distributively in correspondence with another term."
>
> Would you say this is an ordered version of "jo'u": "jo'u + ce'o"?

No, I think "fa'u" only cares about order in a purely syntactic sense.
In "ko'a fa'u ko'e", the only relevance to ko'a and ko'e being ordered
is that they will be matched with something else that will be
pronounced in the same order. It's purely an order of presentation, an
order of words. In "ko'a ce'o ko'e", what "ce'o" indicates is that the
referents of ko'a and ko'e have some relevant order in the
relationship they are entering with something else. Here the order in
which the words are presented is reflecting some order in that which
the words are describing.

> could the non-set "fa'u" and the non-set "ce'o" have the same function
> when used for structurally corresponding pairs of terms:
>
>  ko'a fa'u ko'e xabju fo'a fa'u fo'e
>  ko'a ce'o ko'e xabju fo'a ce'o fo'e

The first one is just a compact way of saying "ko'a xabju fo'a .i ko'e
xabju fo'e".

The second one could be saying a lot of things. We don't have enough
context to know what ordering is relevant. My first guess would be
time. First ko'a and later ko'e inhabited first fo'a and later fo'e,
but that's only one of many possibilities, and there are more clear
ways of saying that in any case. It may be that the "fa'u" reading is
also a possible reading for the "ce'o" sentence.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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