From: Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 28, 2011 12:17:48 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities
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tldr; speaking with infinite precision requires an infinitely verbose language
> Thus, I guess the best thing to do is to create a neologism to
> encapsulate the very special meaning of this (somewhat ?) "new"
> notion...
What "new" notion? Maybe I'm just being stupid but it sounds like you're using a lot of words to talk about {lo smuni be lo selfri} or maybe {lo sisku be lo smuni be lo selfri}. Although in this situation I think that was a pretty poor use of {sisku}.
side question: In forming this reply I noticed that I have no idea how to say "I looked for the ball". {facki} is about discovering that a {du'u} is true and {sisku} is looking for a property amongst a set... whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Escape Landsome
<escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
The point is no concept is ontologically pure (and this should be a
problem, even in Lojban). Assume we are talking of "reading a book",
for instance. Reading a book would be :
1°) the process of collect the information of adjacent letters and
words in lines of the pages of the book,
2°) the same process, but with the correlative cognitive process of
assigning a meaning (i.e. mental images) to what is pronounced
3°) the overall and more global process of entering deeply in the
author thought, in his world, and capture subtleties
4°) the same process acted on a whole life, so as to change one's
philosophy (as when you say "I am a Gospel reader")
There IS some connection between all four meanings, in the sense that
4°) needs 3°) which is necessary for 2°) to be carried, which in turn
is necessary for 1°)
Or, you could say, 1°) is a substratum of 2°), which is one of 3°),
which is one of 4°), and there is pragmatic elaboration from 1°) to
4°)
I guess that a PERFECT lojbanist would create four sumti for each meaning...
But the real problem is that these meanings lie in a CONTINUUM. So,
in fact, one would ideally need an infinite number of sumti, if one
would render each meaning subtlety...
Here, I have a similar problem : what I speak about is a quest about
the meaning of life or the like (you got it), but it is ALSO a
specific question, the question that carries within itself this quest.
This notion is a lojbanic monster, because it should be two broda at
the same time, if we were to use existing broda
Thus, I guess the best thing to do is to create a neologism to
encapsulate the very special meaning of this (somewhat ?) "new"
notion...
Or, perhaps, you have a better idea ? I'm ready for all suggestions
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