Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

On 28 July 2011 22:09, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, I still struggle with when to use lifri and when to use jmive

jmive1 is the whole of a self-sustaining (neg-entropic) system that is
commonly known as "life", whereas lifri1 is a patient of any event or
state that need not pertain to "life". A rock can lifri a heat but
doesn't by itself jmive; a dog can lifri a heat and does by itself
jmive as well. Note that lifri doesn't entail ganse; lifri1 can be
sentient or non-sentient.

I consider lifri1 as the theoretical x2 of "fasnu":

  ko'e lifri ko'a <-- ko'a fasnu ko'e
  kohe experiences koha <-- koha happens to kohe

  lo tcadu cu lifri lo betri <-- lo betri cu fasnu lo tcadu
  the city experienced a tragedy <-- a tragedy happened to the city

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