Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, I'm not quite sure what a generic abstractor  or generic bridi 
subordinator would do.  It seems that each case where subordination of the sort 
involved here is concerned, only a limited number of  types (by the way how do 
we fill in x2 of 'su'u'?) are possible and each gives a slightly different 
meaning.  What is left for the generic case?  I suppose, following xorlo by 
analogy, that it would, in each case, be the indeterminate middle of all the 
possible inserts, assuming that makes any sense at all (what is the middle of 
propositions, events, and properties?).  It seems to add obfuscation just where 
clarity us sought. 





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From: tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 7:55:31 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Gerunds, infinitives and other technicalities

On 28 July 2011 12:34, Ross Ogilvie <oges007@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a member of NU that already does what you suggest below, namely
> su'u

What I suggest is that there be a NU for the purely syntactic purpose
of subordinating a bridi and not to additionally 'abstract' some
semantic element out of that bridi. "su'u" is still such an
'abstractor' as far as the official definition goes; it's not a truly
generic bridi subordinator, since a specific type of its 'abstraction'
is always implied by the x2.

Either "su'u" or "nu" could be made truly generic. I would prefer
"nu", for similar reasons that one might wish to have "joi" and not
"ju'e" or "jo'u" as the generic connective.

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