Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, putting aside the tendency to talk about John stages, when we only appear 
to be talking about John, I can't see any reason to think that there are two 
things here, but rather one thing related in different ways to different 
predicates (or even, in hairy cases, to the same one).




----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, September 12, 2011 9:22:53 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural 
variable

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
>
> He also thinks we should be careful to separate generic brodas, which
> satisfy a predicate iff brodas tend to satisfy it, from kinds which can
> have entirely different properties (like being widespread).

Would you also want to separate generic John, which satisfies a
predicate iff his stages tend to satisfy it ( like "... smokes"), from
the John that can have entirely different properties (like "... was
born in London")?

How is "John smokes and was born in London" different from "chihuahuas
are fiercely loyal and may have originated in Mexico"?

I don't see a good reason to accept one but not the other.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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