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Re: Use fu'ivla more (was Re: [lojban] Supporting Lojbanic babies.)





On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:06:38AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
<snip>
I don't see why you think fu'ivla or cmevla are
> preferable to lujvo, though.

Lujvo should only be used, IMO, when you need more than one place
from the relevant gismu.  If all you *actually* want is "x1 is a
foobie [of type x2]", that's a fu'ivle or cmevla.  I can imagine
that a word for "labour contraction" with an actual interesting
place structure could be made ("x1 is having contractions x2 minutes
apart lasting for x3 minutes each" OSLT), but it's far from
necessary, and none of those places leap out to me as being gismu
places *anyways*.

IOW, if you can't look at the *place structure* and say "that's a
place from gasnu, and that's two places from krici, and that's two
places from kubli", then what you have is not naturally a lujvo
style place structure, and you should consider not using lujvo.

Many many many specific/technical terms people try to make lujvo for
shouldn't be, IMO.  Pretty much all computer stuff, for starters;
"x1 is a motherboard" is all you want out of a word for
"motherboard", which means you're not going to use any of the places
of the 5 gismu you tacked together to make a lujvo for that, so it
shouldn't be a lujvo.

When you only expect to need the word for this current conversation,
you can and should (IMO) use cmevla instead.  "ry lifri pa la
kyntraktcyn" is (if that's a legal cmevla) perfectly fine for one
conversation; unless we're starting the Lojban obstetrical
department, who fucking cares?<snip>

I see your point. However, my objection to fu'ivla specifically isn't related to that at all- I dislike them because they are ugly and/or difficult. To the best of my knowledge, all fu'ivla are either easy to make, but ugly and difficult to pronounce, like {cidjrspageti} and the rest of it's type, or else require a great deal of effort to make in such a way as to not be ugly and difficult to pronounce.

I have no objections to the use of cmevla- heck, my name is one. :) However, regarding your point about words in which we would only ever care about the first place, such as with motherboard, I personally prefer the idea that .xorxes.(?) suggested about allowing cmevla to be used a selbri, with the default meaning of such being "x1 is a (member of) <cmevla>": i.e.; {ti (cu) .materbord.} = "This is a motherboard."

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