Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I have avoided talking about gadri other than {lo} and {le} because I think 
that, until those two are clarified, talk about the others is spinning wheels in 
midair. There is, of course also the problem that no one is sure what "set" and 
"mass" mean at this point.
I am only mildly surprised that you claim that lionness is not a possible 
meaning for {cinfo}, but the way that you state it fails to convince, since, in 
(lo ka cinof na cinfo} you have set up a context in which lioness is set up in 
opposition to whatever {cinfo} now means.  This does not preclude {lo cinfo}, 
for example, referring to lionness in an appropriate situation.  If you hold 
that no situation could be appropriate for that meaning, then I wonder a bit 
about your commitment to blobularism or about what limits you have (unstatedly) 
placed on the blob.




----- Original Message ----
From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 10:16:14 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural 
variable

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:16 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Somebody (the layered responses without summaries makes it difficult to
> figure out who is advocating what) holds that, in a given conversation, 
> {cinfo}
> (for example) may mean any of at least: Lion, lions, lion, lion segments
> (temporally defined), lion kinds, lionness.

I think everybody is in agremment that "lo ka cinfo na cinfo" (and
also that "lo'i cinfo na cinfo", although you don't mention that one).

On the other hand, I am in favor of redefining some predicates that
explicitly call for "lo ka cinfo" or for "lo'i cinfo" for some of
their arguments in such a way that they should call for "lo cinfo"
instead. But that's a redefinition of the predicate, not an
implication that "lo ka cinfo cu cinfo" or that "lo'i cinfo cu cinfo".

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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