Re: [lojban] gender

[vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>]

One gismu for all of them, with a place to specify which one you're
talking about.

On 11/07/2011 11:35 AM, John E Clifford wrote:
> Which "gender" should have a gismu? grammatical, phenotypic, social, cultural, 
> intentional, genetic, ...
> 
> But just because gender is a complex concept, I don't think you can ignore it.
> I'm studying sociology, so I use the word gender a lot in different discourses. 
> First I was surprised that gender doesn't have a gismu.
> How can you even discuss gender issues without a word for it?
> How do you say "I'm studying gender science" in lojban? Or "He has no right to 
> oppress me just because we have different sex/gender"?
> /jongausib
> 
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> 2011/11/7 John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
> 
> Gloryoski!  Why should Lojban be able to sort out things that the experts in the 
> field can't yet get straight?  Grammatical gender is defined by concordance and 
> has, in a few languages, some more than casual relation to some physical 
> features of the referents.  Other languages have derivational devices (other 
> than concordance) to signal (somewhat more regularly) such physical features 
> (along with others, e.g., size, age). Still others basically don't notice.  As 
> for the features involved, the range is enormous.  And when you throw in genetic 
> data or cultural norms or internal intentions, you pass well beyond what 
> languages manage to deal with comfortably (or even uncomfortably).
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> ________________________________
>  From: Sebastian Fröjd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>
>> To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 6:11:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [lojban] gender
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>> I like the word tarbykansa. So twins would be reltarbykansa or remei 
> tarbykansa?
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>> Den måndagen den 7:e november 2011 skrev Sebastian 
> Fröjd<so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>:
>>> Well, it seems a bit far-fetched, but on a very abstract level perhaps you may 
>>> experience some sort of gendered-grammatical-sexual tense between masculine and 
>>> feminine (and neutral) words. O maybe you can use zilselgencinse: ?
>>> c1=g1 [word/object] exhibits grammatical defined gender/(sexual 
>>> orientation/sexuality) c3 (ka) in language/standard c4/g2 for structure/text g3
>>>
>>> /jongausib
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>>> 2011/11/7 vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>
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>>>> On 11/06/2011 09:30 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday 06 November 2011 21:07:36 vitci'i wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/06/2011 07:57 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>>>>>> Yes, but what does x2 of "gencinse" mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where did "gencinse" come from?
>>>>>
>>>>> Most Indo-European and Afro-Asiatic languages have it. I guess "x1 is a 
>> word
>>>>> of gender x3", but what sexual (or gendered) activities does a word 
> partake
>>>>> in?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just to clarify: when I asked where it came from, I meant how it entered
>>>> into the conversation, not what its etymology was.
>>>>
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