Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends.

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:32:01AM -0500, Martin Bays wrote:
> * Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 20:16 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:56:12PM -0500, Martin Bays wrote:
> > > * Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 09:36 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell
> > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> > > 
> > > > This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing
> > > > clothing is with {dasni}.
> > > > 
> > > > WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say
> > > > {mi te pastu}?
> > > 
> > > Because then something would pastu only when it was being
> > > worn.
> > 
> > And botpi must contain something, as must kabri.
> 
> The difference is that always do contain something, even if only
> air or empty space, but being worn isn't intrinsic to the physical
> form of a pastu.

That wanders into gluteality (i.e. being an ass); if someone says
{ti botpi} and I say {ti botpi ma}, and they say {ti botpi [how the
hell do you say "vacuum"?]} or {ti botpi lo canlu}, I'm going to be
pretty annoyed.

OTOH, botpi says "container *for* x2", so who the hell knows what
*that* means?  :P  kabri doesn't have that problem, though.

> (There's also the question of whether the x2 of botpi ("for x2")
> is actually meant to imply vasru, or whether it should be taken to
> be analagous to taxfu's x2)

Oh, you noticed that too.  Yeah, I can't tell.  There's already a
sort-of comment about this on the gismu issues page, but I've
updated it a bit.

> > I'm not seeing the problem.
> 
> I suppose that depends on whether you're willing e.g. to accept
> {lo ka'e broda} as a likely interpretation of {lo broda}?

If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being ka'e-able:
that is, "this place is normally filled by X [where in the case of
botpi X would be "what the bottle currently contains"], but even if
there is no current or obvious X, the capability is sufficient for
the semantics of this word; zi'o should only be used if the
capability has been lost".

-Robin

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