* Thursday, 2011-12-01 at 08:03 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>: > On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:32:01AM -0500, Martin Bays wrote: > > * Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 20:16 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>: > > > > > On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:56:12PM -0500, Martin Bays wrote: > > > > * Wednesday, 2011-11-30 at 09:36 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell > > > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>: > > > > > > > > > This means the *only* way to talk about people wearing > > > > > clothing is with {dasni}. > > > > > > > > > > WTF is the point of having place structures if I can't say > > > > > {mi te pastu}? > > > > > > > > Because then something would pastu only when it was being > > > > worn. > > > > > > And botpi must contain something, as must kabri. > > > > The difference is that always do contain something, even if only > > air or empty space, but being worn isn't intrinsic to the physical > > form of a pastu. > > That wanders into gluteality (i.e. being an ass); if someone says > {ti botpi} and I say {ti botpi ma}, and they say {ti botpi [how the > hell do you say "vacuum"?]} {zilca'u}? > or {ti botpi lo canlu}, I'm going to be pretty annoyed. I don't think it's gluteal. With {vasru} it clearly would be, but it often isn't important to a nu kabri that the se kabri be interesting. > OTOH, botpi says "container *for* x2", so who the hell knows what > *that* means? :P kabri doesn't have that problem, though. > > > (There's also the question of whether the x2 of botpi ("for x2") > > is actually meant to imply vasru, or whether it should be taken to > > be analagous to taxfu's x2) > > Oh, you noticed that too. Yeah, I can't tell. There's already a > sort-of comment about this on the gismu issues page, but I've > updated it a bit. > > > > I'm not seeing the problem. > > > > I suppose that depends on whether you're willing e.g. to accept > > {lo ka'e broda} as a likely interpretation of {lo broda}? > > If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being ka'e-able: > that is, "this place is normally filled by X [where in the case of > botpi X would be "what the bottle currently contains"], but even if > there is no current or obvious X, the capability is sufficient for > the semantics of this word; zi'o should only be used if the > capability has been lost". My reaction to that has to be 'yuck', but it may best fit current usage. And I note that some gimste definitions seem to support it - e.g. kicne kic ki'e cushion x1 cushions x2 with material x3; x1 is a cushion/pillow/pad [for x2] of padding material x3 Martin
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