Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends.

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Thursday 01 December 2011 11:24:23 Luke Bergen wrote:
> I don't know if I agree with that.  I think a {broda zi'o} isn't
> necessarily a {broda} that cannot have an x2 but rather a {broda} that in
> this instance does not have an x2.  i.e. there's no reason that {ko'a simlu
> lo ka barda zi'o} COULDN'T have an observer, only that in this instance it
> does not.  Or... maybe that's the chief difference between noda and zi'o?
>  I'll be honest, my grasp of what zi'o is/does in a technical sense is
> fairly weak.

"ko'a simlu lo ka barda zi'o" doesn't say that there isn't an observer. There 
is an observer. What there may or may not be is a bigness dimension. "ko'a 
barda noda" is true if ko'a is small in all dimensions, or is big but has no 
dimensions, but is false if ko'a is big in length, width, or height. "ko'a 
barda zi'o" is true if ko'a is big but has no dimensions, or is big in 
length, width, or height, but is false if ko'a is small. For "nothing", if 
not meaning to negate the verb, I'd say "lo nonydza" or "lo nomei", e.g. 
(losing the confusion, of course):
—do lampagre ma mo'ire'o le klaji?
—noda
—ju'osai .i le vi citno ninmu ji'a cu viska .iseni'ibo lo nonydza cu cadzu 
snomau do

Pierre
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