Re: [lojban] Rant (baby related): dasni, taxfu, and all their friends.

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 12:14:25PM -0500, Martin Bays wrote:
> * Thursday, 2011-12-01 at 09:00 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> 
> > On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:54:55AM -0500, Martin Bays wrote:
> > > * Thursday, 2011-12-01 at 08:03 -0800 - Robin Lee Powell
> > > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > or {ti botpi lo canlu}, I'm going to be pretty annoyed.
> > > 
> > > I don't think it's gluteal. With {vasru} it clearly would be,
> > > but it often isn't important to a nu kabri that the se kabri
> > > be interesting.
> > 
> > Yes, that was *exactly* my point when I said:
> > 
> > > > If it was up to me, I'd define certain places as being
> > > > ka'e-able: that is, "this place is normally filled by X
> > > > [where in the case of botpi X would be "what the bottle
> > > > currently contains"], but even if there is no current or
> > > > obvious X, the capability is sufficient for the semantics of
> > > > this word; zi'o should only be used if the capability has
> > > > been lost".
> > 
> > As currently defined, a kabri is only a kabri if it contains
> > something; "contains vacuum" or "contains air" are both dodging
> > the question, IMO, especially the former.  So I think we should
> > canonicalize the whole "this place doesn't have to be
> > interesting" thing you just said.
> 
> But if we go from "doesn't have to be interesting" to "doesn't
> have to (ca'a) exist", then the place structure does much less to
> define the meaning.
> 
> e.g. we wouldn't have the clear difference between {ko'a zukte
> ko'e} and {ko'a gasnu ko'e} - we'd be left with just some fuzzy
> idea that in the former, there *could* have been a purpose behind
> the action - which if we stretch that 'could' far enough, is true
> of any nu gasnu.

My point was that *particular places* of *particular gismu* would be
marked with this behaviour.

-Robin

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