Re: [lojban] state of {binxo}

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>]

On 6 December 2011 06:35, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/12/5 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
>> coi
>>
>> Is there a consensus about the nature of binxo2? I mostly see
>> non-properties there, but I am not sure how to interpret that.
>>
>> I noticed that there was some discussions on the subject long ago,
>> but I didn't find any conclusion in favour of the object-object version
>> of {binxo}.
>
> coi .asiz.
>
> It's clear at least to me that binxo1 and binxo2 are not attributive
> properties and are related in terms of cenba2. binxo1 corresponds to
> cenba1. While {cenba} expresses a change of the x1 in some property
> and makes no reference to the resulting entity, {binxo} does say what
> the x1 transforms into but without specifying the properties in which
> the change occurs.
>
> {binxo} is also comparable to {galfi}. binxo1 & binxo2 correspond to
> galfi2 & galfi3:
>

ki'e .tiljan.
I agree with the last statement, and I extend my question to galfi3.

While I don't consider the concept of an object becoming a different
one to be illogical, I do opine that it brings more complications and
is less useful than that of an object acquiring a property.

If binxo2 is just an object that comes to existence while taking the place
of binxo1, then mu'a
  {ko'a binxo lo bisli}
doesn't entail at all that
  {ko'a na bisli pu lonu binxo},
since it could just as well refer to an iceberg becoming an ice sculpture.

ra'unai in English grammar, "The water becomes ice" is analysed as
subject-verb-predicate, just like "It seems blue", and unlike "I love you",
which is subject-verb-object.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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