Re: [lojban] Playing with Tanru and Fu'ivla... "Philips screwdriver"

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

How universal is the notion of a cross for this design?  Or is it peculiar to Western, Christian, usage? Of course, there were crosses beforeChristinity and called crosses ( though the Greeks called execution instrument a post), but is something like that the stock name form two intersecting more less a right angles?

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On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:42, Escape Landsome wrote:
> 
>>> I would say that {kucylupcartci} is a lujvo that I, knowing that there
>>> is an important distinction between phillips and flathead
>>> screwdrivers, might interpret correctly. If I wanted to say it, I'd
>>> probably go with a tanru: {kruca lupcartci} or {me la .filips.
>>> lupcartci}
>> 
>> But "Philips" screwdriver is an english-speaking way to call this kind of tool.
>> 
>> In France, it is "cruciforme" screwdriver, that is : "in the shape of a cross".
>> 
>> Thus, the way we lojbanize it, it is not culturally neutral *at all*
> 
> "Phillips" is not simply a synonym for "cross-shaped". There are several different cross-shaped screw drives, some of which superficially resemble each other but may be damaged if confused:
> 
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#Cruciform_types
> 
> More broadly, specific screw drive designs are inherently (technical-)culture-specific items.
> 
> I believe the appropriate Lojbanization is to use a fu'ivla for the Phillips type in particular, and have words which are specifically vague for cross-shaped screw drives in general.
> 
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> Kevin Reid                                  <http://switchb.org/kpreid/>
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