Re: [lojban] Playing with Tanru and Fu'ivla... "Philips screwdriver"

If you are talking specifically about the domain of screws, the cross design is used because it makes sure that the driver fits centered in the slot, constrained in two dimensions, unlike the single line slot.

--gejyspa

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

How universal is the notion of a cross for this design? Or is it peculiar to Western, Christian, usage? Of course, there were crosses beforeChristinity and called crosses ( though the Greeks called execution instrument a post), but is something like that the stock name form two intersecting more less a right angles?

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On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:42, Escape Landsome wrote:
>
>>> I would say that {kucylupcartci} is a lujvo that I, knowing that there
>>> is an important distinction between phillips and flathead
>>> screwdrivers, might interpret correctly. If I wanted to say it, I'd
>>> probably go with a tanru: {kruca lupcartci} or {me la .filips.
>>> lupcartci}
>>
>> But "Philips" screwdriver is an english-speaking way to call this kind of tool.
>>
>> In France, it is "cruciforme" screwdriver, that is : "in the shape of a cross".
>>
>> Thus, the way we lojbanize it, it is not culturally neutral *at all*
>
> "Phillips" is not simply a synonym for "cross-shaped". There are several different cross-shaped screw drives, some of which superficially resemble each other but may be damaged if confused:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives#Cruciform_types
>
> More broadly, specific screw drive designs are inherently (technical-)culture-specific items.
>
> I believe the appropriate Lojbanization is to use a fu'ivla for the Phillips type in particular, and have words which are specifically vague for cross-shaped screw drives in general.
>
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