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Re: [lojban] Baby words: "be careful of X"



I agree with lojbab, "be careful" is probably an English idiom. French uses "fais attention à..." which is essentially "pay attention to..."; a native francophone might consider {jundi} first.

I'd suggest {.i .o'i lo nu <condition> ka'e jai ri'a cortu} where <condition> is whatever will make the toy hurt the baby.
Or, if you don't care about the condition exactly, {tu'a lo selkei ka'e jai ri'a cortu} or {lo selkei ka'e jai jai ri'a cortu}

Then again, do you use weirdo grammar like {ka'e jai ri'a} when talking to babies?

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 2 May 2012 18:55, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
Robin Lee Powell wrote:
I don't see a good way to do this as a bridi.  {kajde} isn't use,
it's mention; that is, {kajde} isn't warning someone, it's talking
about someone having been warned.  I don't see anything else good.

Ideas?

The problem seems to be that people are insisting on translating "Be careful" as an imperative based on "careful".  That is English idiom.  I am pretty sure that not all languages express warnings in terms of "being careful".

You can indeed use kajde, just not as an imperative.  Statements about events are not necessarily in the past tense.

mi kajde do lenu ...
(which event you can mark with pu'o to warn of an impending catastrophe).

You can of course also add .e'unai at the appropriate point for emphasis


The specific example was "Be carefull pulling on that toy; it's
going to spring back and hit you and that will hurt".

With two sentences in English, what you are warning is ambiguous.

The caution statement (x3 of kajde) would be "if you pull on that toy, then it will spring back, and hit you, and you will be hurt", possibly with a nice strong attitudinal expressing (empathic)-pain on the last clause.

But some would express it as imperative "Don't pull on that toy, or else ..." in which case it is expressed as a negative imperative, perhaps with an afterthought causal connective.

lojbab



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