[lojban] {jai jai bai broda}

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

The subject more or less says it all: what happens when two {jai} are used ?

Do the {fai} require subscripting? Does the language fall apart? Is this simply undefined usage? Does the Earth explode?

This occurred to me when replying to another post, suggesting {lo selkei ka'e jai jai ri'a cortu}. I simply wanted to jai-convert a rinka1 into cortu, but also wanted to jai-reify that rinka1. Now, does the fai-place specify the event of rinka1, or does it specify the original cortu1 ?

I vaguely remember reading about something like this... double jai-conversion (of multiple tags, perhaps? {jai ri'a jai ki'u broda} for instance) on the wiki; it was just a transcript of an IRC discussion that seemed mostly inconclusive though. I'd assume subscripting to be necessary on the fai, such that in {jai ri'a jai ki'u broda fai xi pa lo su'u brode kei fai xi re lo su'u brodi}, [fai xi pa] is filling rinka1, the outermost conversion, and that [fai xi re] is filling krinu1, the next inner conversion.

Writing this, something else has occurred to me. Could we simply surround a jai-conversion with identical SE tags to convert a non-x1 place? 

Consider {cortu}, which is 2-ary. Let's surround a jai-ri'a conversion with {te}, {do te jai ri'a te cortu lo xance lo nu lo gerku cu batci}. Doing so, we can effectively replace the undefined places of a selbri, thus eliminating the requirement for fai! However, when doing so for selbri that already defines places 1 to 5, we encounter SE-clunkiness, which certainly makes this idea sub-optimal: {mi se xi xa jai fau se xi xa klama zo'e zo'e zo'e zo'e lo nu broda}.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

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