Re: [lojban] Re: {fa'a} and expressing "towards" in Lojban.

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 03:19:12PM +0200, selpa'i wrote:
> Am 24.06.2012 15:05, schrieb Pierre Abbat:
> >hy not teka'a?And what is the relation between {to'o} and
> >{tefa'a}?
> >
> >"lo gerku cu bajra to'o do' means that the dog is away from you
> >where he runs. To indicate that he runs away from you, say "mo'i
> >to'o".
> 
> {to'o do} says that the event is oriented away from {do}. Since
> bajra contains motion already, you don't need {mo'i}, and in fact,
> it would mean something else entirely with {mo'i}: "The [event of
> the] dog running is moving away from you", which might mean that
> the dog is running in whatever direction while being on a train
> that is moving away from you.
> 
> {lo gerku cu bajra to'o do} is therefore the correct way to say
> it.

Hmmm.

This contradicts what I just posted, but what you say makes sense.

The problem that I have with it is that it means that {to'o} and
{mo'i to'o} mean different things depending on whether or not the
underlying bridi is inherently about motion.  Upon further
reflection, I don't think that's OK.

Hmm.  Upon further further reflection :), it's also not *true*;
{to'o/fa'a} calls upon the intrinsict directionality of the event,
no matter what event it is; some have it, some done.  {mo'i
fa'a/to'o} moves the entire event around in real space, regardless
of the event's intrinsic anything.

*Interesting*.

-Robin

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