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[lojban] Re: {fa'a} and expressing "towards" in Lojban.



And there is the same problem with {to'o} which looks like the opposite of {fa'a}.
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Directional+Spatial  gives the example
ki'u ma lo do gerku cu bajra to'o do
"Why does your dog run away from you?"

Why not teka'a?
And what is the relation between {to'o} and {tefa'a}?

On Sunday, June 24, 2012 12:27:21 PM UTC+4, gleki wrote:
Robin and I have been talking about {fa'a}.

<rlpowell> Assume for the moment that {fa'a do} definitely means "facing you"; i.e. it's about direction/orientation, and not about movement or something else.
<rlpowell> So {mi klama pu tu'a do} =~ {lo nu mi klama cu purci tu'a do}, right?
<rlpowell> Oh, also assume that *farna* is about facing/direction/orientation, which is much less clear.
<rlpowell> So I think that {mi klama fa'a do} means, approx, {lo nu mi klama cu se farna do}
<rlpowell> i.e. "the event of my going, as a whole, faces you".
<rlpowell> Which, generally speaking, is a pretty remarkably useless concept.
<rlpowell> But I can't see how to make it mean "I go towards you" or "I'm facing you as I go" without raping the tense system with a buffalo. In a recent poem it was said something like {ko'a catlu fa'a lo canko} - "He looked in the direction of the window"  as opposed to {ko'a catlu lo canko} - "he looked at the window".

As for me, i perceived farna as a vector. fa'a = having a vector oriented towards...

Before commenting please read http://dag.github.com/cll/10/28/
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Directional+Spatial and the previous discussion at
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/fa'a%20as%20orientation.

So two questions
1. How to say "go towards..."?
2. What fa'a really means or should mean?

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