Re: [lojban] Re: jbonunsla 2012: Post #2

[selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de>]

coi
If you don't mind, I'd like to comment on each point, knowing well that 
a lot comes down to opinion:

Am 08.07.2012 09:44, schrieb la .lindar.:
> >From my notes (brief summary to be expanded perhaps never):
>
> {tolcliva} is crap and you pretty much should never use it.

How is it crap? Is this just your (sg.) opinion or did you (pl.) come to 
an agreement about it? You gotta be more specific than "it's crap, you 
can't use it". Both tolcliva and mo'u klama / klamu'o have their place.

> Agree to disagree on (or attempt to deprecate, or just say 'fuck it' 
> regarding) the weird vowel letterals.

Some people don't like them, but I find them prettier than .a'y .e'y 
.i'y .o'y .u'y. The obvious disadvantage is that .abu is two words so zo 
can't quote it.

> Agree to disagree on whether time can be {clani} or {barda}.

Time can be clani. Time has a dimension and anything with a dimension 
can be long or short in that dimension.

> We solved the "units per unit" issue with {dikni}, but may still have 
> other issues.

What's the proposed solution?

> Kill with fire all of the 'by standard' places in favour of a BAI that 
> does the same thing.

I strongly disagree. There are a good number of "by standard" places 
that are used a lot, and I don't want to use BAI to get access to them. 
xamgu3 and dukse3 are two very common examples.

> Stuff we need to discuss tomorrow:
One thing you might want to look at is how some gismu have built-in jai 
while others don't.
Compare for example bebna, which has a jai'd x1 where the x2 is 
basically a fai-place, and fenki, which doesn't. This inconsistency 
slows down the learning process to some degree. Does anybody else think 
this could be improved?

> latro'a/tsani's idea of how {ka} works.
> JVS sucks hairy balls (I'll get into more detail)
It has some bugs, but it's free and works. Sure it could be better, but 
I wouldn't be so harsh.


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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