Re: [lojban] Re: jbonunsla 2012: Post #2

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>
> tolcliva is a poor generic word for "arrive".

It's somewhat weird like "tolcanci" for "appear", "tolcri" for "find",
"tolclaxu" for "have" because for these concepts I would expect that
the one dealing with the presence of something would be the basic one
and the one dealing with the absence would be the derived one, but I
don't see how "klamu'o" helps, at least with "mulno" as currently
defined, "has become whole" rather than "becomes whole", the final
state not the point at which that state is achieved. So if you arrived
three hours ago, you are now klamu'o, but you are not now tolcliva.
"klamulbi'o" would correspond more closely to "arrive".

>> >Kill with fire all of the 'by standard' places in favour of a BAI
>> >that does the same thing.
>>
>> I strongly disagree. There are a good number of "by standard"
>> places that are used a lot, and I don't want to use BAI to get
>> access to them. xamgu3 and dukse3 are two very common examples.
>
> Quite.

I use the x3 of "dukse",often, but I'm not sure I use it as a "by
standard" place. I use it for things like:

ti dukse lo ka tilju kei lo nu bevri
"this is too heavy to carry"

dukse lo ka manku kei lo nu ka'e viska
"too dark to be able to see"

So x3 is an event that doesn't happen because x1 has property x2 to a
degree that exceeds the point which would still alow x3 to happen. I'm
not sure that counts as a standard, at least it's not the usual
standard place.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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