Re: [lojban] again about "out of"

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I worry a bit about treating "out of" as a unit, separate from the verbs involved: "made out of" is very different from either "get out of" or from "go out of" or even from "be out of" in sevreal of its meanings.  And examples could multiply, not much of a common even very general meaning.

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From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] again about "out of"

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:25 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The list is largely unimportant for lojbanists. But look at #22. "out of" is
> among first 22 most frequent words of the language!
> Seems like a possible flaw in lojban for not having such a short word.
> Hopefully "el" might have several meanings including simple {to'o}.
> Still...
[...]
> 22 EL (out of)

Yes, the Esperanto preposition "el" has a much wider meaning than the
spatial "out of", it is also used for a more abstract or general
origin or provenance: "li estas el Francio" (he's from France), "krono
el floroj" (a crown of flowers), "unu el ili" (one of them).

For "out of" as opposite of "into" in Lojban I suggest "to'o ne'i":

lo gerku cu bajra to'o ne'i lo zdani
"The dog runs out of the house."

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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