Re: [lojban] Two new gismu, "stomach" and "back of body". And a proposal for an updated method of generating gismu.

[Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>]

On Tuesday 21 August 2012 11:07:36 la gleki wrote:
> For "stomach" we get
>   cmn vei 0.253388  eng beli 0.22019  spa bientre 0.097425  ara muada
> 0.092683  hin pet 0.087398  ben pet 0.058401  rus jeludyk 0.053388  por
> bariga 0.050271  jap xara 0.033198  pun pet 0.028692  deu magen 0.028184
> fra vontr 0.025474
> With first 4 languages it outputs
>   *vreli velti venli velbi* 0.691286 (rating)  With all 12 languages it
>  outputs  *vetli* 0.535
> (rating)
>
>
> I'd choose {vetli} as it's similar to Chinese vei, English belly, Indian
> "pet" and Romance "ventr-"

I would use neither "belly" nor "vientre", as they mean "betfu" which we 
already have. The Spanish for "stomach" is "estómago". "slamycanti" was 
proposed some years ago.

> For "back of human body" we get
>  cmn beiji 0.253388  eng bak 0.22019  spa espalda 0.097425  ara vyxra
> 0.092683  hin pic 0.087398  ben pic 0.058401  rus spin 0.053388  por kostas
> 0.050271  jap se 0.033198  pun pic 0.028692  deu riuk 0.028184  fra dos
> 0.025474
>  Top score is  bekpi bajdi 0.50684 4 langs    bekpi 0.4697 12 langs
> I'd choose {bekpi} which reminds me of Chinese bei, English back, Indian
> pic and Russian sPIna.

I agree that we need a word to distinguish back, the dorsal side of an animal, 
from back, the area behind something. They are the same side for a human, but 
not for most vertebrates. This word sounds good. Also, I think we need a word 
for the ventral side of an animal.

Pedantically, the upper back is "espalda" (the French cognate 
means "shoulder", which is also the first sense in Velázquez), the lower 
is "lomo", and the whole thing is "dorso", but I've heard people call the 
whole back "espalda" and not know the word "dorso". Also the "s" is silent in 
French "dos".

Pierre
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