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Re: [lojban] Re: A new Lojbanic wiki (LMW). On the threshold of the 25th anniversary of Lojban

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:40:07AM -0800, entot wrote:
>    On Wednesday, November 14, 2012 2:16:51 AM UTC+9, .alyn.post. wrote:
> 
>      On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:21:14AM -0800, la gleki wrote:
>      >        * We're making a fresh start, so why not keep it clean?
> 
>      I've put a lot of work in writing and organizing TWiki pages.  I'm
>      happy to have them migrated to mediawiki, but I'm more-or-less being
>      told that the work I've done on TWiki isn't valuable ("fresh start").
> 
>    I'm sorry, I didn't mean it. (That "fresh start" line should be attributed
>    to me.)
>    When I wrote "maintained pages are good" in my previous post, I had in
>    mind
>    those pages you listed in your Twiki user page as you're curating.
>    As I said on my previous post, I'm on the side of "migrate whatever
>    valuable
>    contents from the old wiki."
>    (Also, if I may slip in another clarification, I didn't mean to say
>    "geeky" contents
>    on the old wiki are all cryptic.)
> 

Thank you.

I'm 100% onboard with improving the user experience of our wiki: I
find the TWiki frustrating in that regard too.  I'm not certain what
tools mediawiki gives us to mitigate this problem: it's a function
of the content rather than the platform, and I see a future in which
we have the TWiki, mediawiki, and the new wiki-of-the-moment because
mediawiki filled up with junk.

I'm excited there is work being done in this area, and honestly I
love working in mediawiki.  I'm admin on 2 public and many private
mediawikis.  There are things I could do with my content if it were
in mediawiki that is hard to impossible for me on twiki.

But much as I very much support the mediawiki platform, I've already
got content written, and I'm not the least bit keen on rewriting it.
That is one giant step backwards for me.  My time in Lojbanistan is
already limited without paving over progress I've already made.

I'm not certain, alas, what the set of pages I would need migrated
are.  It's things like:

  http://www.lojban.org/tiki/fa%27o

and the whole snag of pages that come with it, it's obvious stuff
like this:

  http://www.lojban.org/tiki/jbogenturfa%27i

But then you start into content I'm trying to polish into the 4th
baseline proposal:

  http://www.lojban.org/tiki/PEG

And I start to think I basically need the whole wiki, after which
I ask why we aren't just addressing the actual organizational
problem.

I'd like to help.  I most certainly adore and use mediawiki, but
it has literally taken me years of wall time to get where I am
in the existing wiki and I have very little expectation that
mediawiki the platform can make up for losing this work.  I'm
attached to my content, not the platform.  If we import it, I'd
be happier to be working in mediawiki.  But I can't tell to what
degree the areas I curate are part of the problem and not welcome
in a new wiki vs. your willingness to import this mess and deal
with my slow, plodding, but focused nature.

mi'e .alyn.
-- 
.i ma'a lo bradi cu penmi gi'e du

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