On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:54 AM, la gleki
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
{sei ... se'u} inside {lu ...li'u} must be a part of the quote however xorxe's Alice in Wonderland uses that to translate quotes split into several parts. I'm not the only person who thinks that this is wrong.
IMO {sei} has at least three different meanings.
1. As an alternative to UI ({sei mi gleki ~= .ui})
2. As an alternative to moving the outer bridi into the inner bridi ({do melbi sei mi jinvi}={mi jinvi lo du'u do melbi})
3. To translate partitioned quotations.
Some time ago i proposed {xoi} to replace the second meaning of {sei}. And now here is my solution for the third meaning.
Proposal.
The same FA two times in a bridi should mean {je} according i.e.
{fe lo barda ku mi pu viska fe lo gerku}={mi pu viska lo barda je gerku}.
No. IT's currently equivalent to {ju'e}, and should remain so.
Needless to say that "it's a big dog" is rather {ko'a barda je gerku} rather than {ko'a barda gerku} as natlangish tanru i.e. metaphors i.e. noun phrases with adjectives are not necessary in a logical style of lojban.
DISAGREE. It's a big type of dog because it's big for a dog. It's certainly not big for a house, or a plane, or an elephant- unless it's Clifford. "Big" is a relative term, not an absolute.
Now such proposal allows us to express divided quotations
xorxe's solution: {lu ko klama mi sei la alis cu cusku se'u i mi djica lo nu catlu do li'u} (25 syllables)
gleki's solution: {lu ko klama mi li'u se cusku la alis fa lu i mi djica lo nu catlu do li'u} (26 syllables)
That could work WITHOUT changing the meaning of anything, i.e., with the language AS IS.
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