Re: [lojban] Re: Aesop translation

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>   Okay, that's what I thought you were going for.  So my second translation
> of "lo nu mi gansu kei na selki'u no da" is what your intended meaning.  "My
> action is not justified by nothing" (i.e. -> "lo nu mi  gansu kei selki'u
> su'o da" (my action is justified by something))

I agree, I think "nonselki'u" would be better for "unjustified".

One-placer "x1 is unjustified" cannot be the opposite of two-placer
"x1 is justified by x2".

> The discomfort that I have
> with the negativity being  part of the brivla instead of within the
> arguments is thinking "okay, what would 'lo broda cu tolselki'u lo brode'
> mean?" lo broda is justified by something, but not by brode?  If so, why not
> simply write "lo broda cu selki'u na'e bo lo brode" or even simpler, "lo
> broda na selki'u lo broda"?   It just doesn't feel to me (pe'i) that "krinu"
> has a polar opposite in the same way that say "canci" or "banli" does.  It's
> not on any kind of scale -- A is either a reason for B, or it's not.

I think a suitable antonym for "justify" could be "undermine", so I
would interpret "tolselki'u" as "x1 is undermined by x2". Instead of
x2 providing support for x1, it takes it away.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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