The disposition became a little bit wrong, so therefore I send this mail again..ienaiI don't understand the need for a fu'ivla for such a non-specific word.When I now look up the words tile/shingle/scale used in the proposed definition for {imbrike}, these words seem to have different meanings, and therefore produce a rather vague pe'i brivla.So if the intention is to have a word for the more general concept "roof covering", I suggest the lujvo {drugadri}: g1 is a roof covering for covering/sheltering roof d1=g2.{rudyta'o} suggested by la remod seems to be (too?) specific, since not all roof coverings are made of boards.Another type of roof covering is for example "roofing tile" (the intended word?), {drustaku}: s1 is a quantity of/contains/made of flooring tile(s) made by s2, of composition s3, in form/shape s4, for use on roof d1.But if the intention is to use the very specific meaning "a very specific shingle", it would be useful to have a fu'ivla. But why a stage-4. Do we really have to fill the jbovlaste with odd looking stage-4 fu'ivla (unless they seem especially useful like {iklki} and {fi'ikca}).I wouldn't know what the hell {embrice} is if someone use this word in a conversation, but with {stakrembrice} I would at least have a clue.I know that some lojbanists seem to dislike, and therefore avoid stage-3.But in my opinion I think stage-3 should be standard. The reason for this is that they add a subject category to the word (by which you for example could distinguish words like {cmacrnintegrale} and {dinjnintegrale}, CLL 4.7, or the difference between the plant, the spice, the seed or some other part of a particular genus).Additionally, I do like the phonetic variation of different kind of words in lojban, from the simple klama to the crunchy sound of the consonant cluster in stage-3. Also I think stage-4 should almost ONLY be introduced "where a fu'ivla has become so common or so important that it must be made as short as possible" (CLL 4.7).By the way, there have been a lot of discussions of glossary on the mailing list, but these discussions far from always result in words added in jbovlaste. Why?mu'omi'e jongausib
Skickat från min iPhone--mi'e mu'o la .remod.I would go with the fu'ivla {embritce} (rembembering that the stress is on the {ibu} ) only for that very specific type of shingle and would resort to a lujvo (probably {rudyta'o} with gloss "x1=t1 is a shingle/tile covering the roof of x2=r2 made of x3=t2") for the generic concept.The "èmbrice" is a very specific shingle, the common Italian word is "tègola" (with letters pronounced as in lojban) from the latin "tègula" from "tègere"=to cover.In Italian the sound for that 'c' is t͡ʃ (/tS/ in X-SAMPA) rather than k (/k/). Same goes for Latin since in Italy the Latin words are pronounced according to the ecclesiastic Latin rather than the classical Latin.
On Monday, February 18, 2013, Pierre Abbat wrote:
I'm thinking of "imbrike" for "roof tile, shingle, or scale" (x1 is a
tile/shingle/scale covering x2, ovelapping in direction x3). Is this concept
useful enough in composition that it could have been made a gismu, had anyone
thought of it back then? Should it be "imbrike" or "imbrice"? Or "embrice"
(which is how it's spelled in modern Italian)?
Pierre
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