Robin Lee Powell wrote:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:43:14AM -0700, la gleki wrote:On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:56:57 PM UTC+4, Robin Powell wrote:On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 06:42:00PM +0200, selpa'i wrote:la .camgusmis. cu cusku di'e1. How would you mark a {ko} that's an order? I use {e'o} for requests. For "You must do this!" I've been using {ga'i}, but it's a tad unsatisfying.The currently proposed BPFK meaning for {.e'i} is just that. {.e'i} becomes an irrealis attitudinal marking a command/order. Although this may seem like a big change to definition of the word, it seems to be the only way to express orders of this kind, so: {.e'i do na broda} I'm not sure I am 100% behind this definition, but the above argument speaks for it.Given the incredibly tiny usage of {.e'i} according to the corpus application (250 uses on IRC, and essentially none elsewhere, especially if you ignore xorxes' usages since this was his tinkering), I've decided that my household dialect will, in fact, use {.e'i} as a command imperative.who has approved of it: 1.camgusmis 2.gleki who is against it: 1.There are many people who would have been against it back in the day, but the only one I know who is still active is Arnt.
My interpretation of .e'i would have been that it would be expressed by someone who is under orders, not giving orders. I'm not sure that this usage is entirely in conflict with your idea, though I think it would be one receiving the order who would express it. You want the kids to feel constrained/compelled; you don't feel that way yourself, so perhaps empathy needs to be invoked.
Or the scale could be changed in definition to reflect actual usage.I'll reserve judgement until I think about it a bit more (though of course I am "against" all change on principle until we have the baseline CLL %^)
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