Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands.

[la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 1:50:30 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
> la gleki cu cusku di'e
> > On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 4:14:40 AM UTC+4, tsani wrote:
> >     In case we're taking votes, I vote in favour of redefining it.
> >     Dialectically, it is already used that way by the handful of typical
> >     IRC jbopre.
> >
> >
> >
> > I vote against redefining it. For me
> >
> > e'i = sei bilga
> > ei = sei te javni
> > e'o = sei cpedu
> >
> > and so on.
> >
> > if u redefine e'i as command then we lose {sei bilga} meaning. If you
> > use .ei for that then we lose {sei te javni} meaning.
>
> je'e .i va'o ku da tai ma minde .i zo'o ko na stidi tu'a lu sei minde 
> li'u .i pe'i lo nu minde cu vajni mutce .i .e'o do stidi su'o pa lu'a lo 
> te cuxna

mi stidi zo'oru'esai di'e

soi/rei/xoi = sei bilga

ei = sei te javni = should/ought to

 

> > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Irrealis+Attitudinals has the
> > following text:
> >
> > "selpa'i uses {.ei} as "should" and {.e'i} as "must" (as in {.e'i mi'o
> > denpa .i lo sorpeka pu'o zvati}), I (camgusmis) think that's pretty
> > good. The {.e'e} here is obviously out of the question, and I think
> > keeping something like "must" is worth it, too, and closer to what we have."
>
> ie .i mi pu cusku la'e di'u .i ku'i pe'i lo cnino smuni be zo .e'i ku 
> ji'a plixau
>
> ni'o ta'o mi na sai tugni lo du'u la'e zo .e'e na ka'e se junri .i pe'i 
> prane smuni zo .e'e .i mi nelci mutce .i je'u zo .e'e zo .e'i zmadu lo 
> ka mi nelci lo se stidi smuni be ce'u kei lo barda .i na mo'u jdice fi 
> zo .e'i .i ku'i ja'a go'i fi zo .e'e

xu zo'o cajebaku do po'o jbojdicypre

> > I don't know what happened to that obvious solution.
>
> xu ja'a danfu .i za'a dai lo ji'a drata cu sidbo

e'i si ei si xoi si sei bilga mi bazu troci lo ka stika lo tatoebas jufra

 

> > In any case please don't deprive me of {sei bilga} and {sei te javni}.
>
> xu do birti lo du'u lu sei te javni li'u mapti da'i

javni = x1 is a rule prescribing/mandating/requiring x2 (event/state) within system/community x3.

te javni = x1 (community consisting at least of one person) is required to do x2 under some rule/situation x3

li'a lo te javni be da na roroi bilga da

i JCB pu tugni mi pe ca to ba'a oidai la latro'a cu co'e mi vau u'i toi

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