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[lojban] Re: mi pu fanva le pemci





On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 1:22:58 PM UTC-4, guskant wrote:


Le mercredi 23 octobre 2013 14:57:53 UTC+9, Paul Rapoport a écrit :
coi rodo
.i mi pu fanva le pemci goi ko'a
.i zoi gy.This is just to say gy. cu cmene ko'a
.i .e'o ko mencti


ki'e .i .au so'u da pinka fi mi
.y .i ki'a

 
.i tu'e

ju'i do'u mi cusku sa'u le nu

mi puba'o citka
le so'o zirsmela
noi nenri

(poi nenri)
# I would use {poi} rather than {noi} because I think the clause "that were..." restricts "the plums".
.ie
 
le bistanxe ku'o


(le bista'e)
# {bista'e} is shorter. This {ku'o} can be omitted because the following {zi'e} makes clear that the clause terminates here.
mi zbasu troci le zoi gy. calque gy. pe zoi gy. icebox gy.
 
zi'e noi
la'a do puca'o
ralte

(jai gau sorcu)
# I think this "saving" means "reserving/storing" rather than "keeping in possession". I need {jai gau} for making {do} be x1 of {sorcu}.
 #But yeah, isn't the idea supposed to be "keeping in possession in the icebox for breakfast"?
tezu'e cersai


-> tezu'e lo nu cersai
# Because this {tezu'e} should make a term of the bridi {do puca'o ralte} or {do puca'o jai gau sorcu}, it should be followed by a sumti. I would accept {tezu'e lo cersai}; however {tezu'e} takes a goal/result of {zukte}, and I am not sure how "a mass of breakfast" {lo cersai} can be a goal/result of an action. {lo nu cersai} is better if the goal is "taking breakfast".
 "For the goal of (being) a-mass-of/a-thing-that-is breakfast"?
 
.i .u'ucui ko fraxu le nu la'e go'i

-> .i ko mi fraxu
# {fraxu} x2 is a person. {la'e go'i} is not grammatical because {la'e} should be followed by a sumti and {go'i} is a bridi. As a translation of "Forgive me", {ko mi sidju} is necessary and sufficient.
 #I was trying to convey a sense of "forgive me for my doing the thing I just expressed". Possibly this was not necessary.
.i be'unai .oinairo'o da pu kukte

-> .i zy pu kukte
# {da pu kukte} is equal to {su'o da zo'u da pu kukte}, which means "there is at least one x such that x was delicious", and not suitable here. The pronoun "they" of the original text indicates "the plums", which you translated as {le so'o zirsmela}. This sumti can be represented by {zy} taken from the first letter of {zirsmela}.
 #That's a common assumed ko'a bind? Got it.
.i titla mutce
gi'e lenku mutce


# The last three verses form one sentence beginning with "they"; {kukte}, {titla mutce} and {lenku mutce} take the same terms {zy} and {pu (ku)}. I would translate this part as follows:
 # I'd assumed that "They were delicious" was its own sentence. If not, the second one looks better.
{.i zy pu kukte
je titla bo mutce
je lenku bo mutce}
or 
{.i zy pu ku kukte 
gi'e titla mutce
gi'e lenku mutce}
 
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