Re: [lojban] Officialness, spin-off projects, dialects, communication with the outside world (was: Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki))

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Subject: Re: [lojban] Officialness, spin-off projects, dialects, communication with the outside world (was: Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki))

From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 15:30:46 +0400

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On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:25 PM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:

gejyspa:
> LMW, (IMHO) is Gleki's personal plaything. I personally give it no imprimatur of officialdom. YMMV

Well, it's a wiki. A wiki used by only one person will always be that person's personal plaything. If more people contribute, it won't be.

Also, it's a(nother …) wiki hosted on 'the official website'. That's a resource that the community can use if it so chooses. If you don't want the wiki to be a 'Gleki wiki', then you can always contribute.

While, naturally, I may not agree with Gleki on everything he puts there,

Even la gleki himself might not agree now with what he put there earlier :D

ni'o i created 2 mbox templates

http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Template:Nalcatni

http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Template:La Bangu

All unofficial pages will move to "nalcatni" space.

Pages related to lojban dialect will move to La Bangu namespace.

These prefixes are temporary and might be changed in future.

All of those pages will additionally have boxes at top to prevent others from being confused.

A can't agree that Tiki doesn't bring such confusion. Just open ... let's say...

http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ba'oi

Do you like it?

Now imagine a newbie that came from direct search in google to that page. His immediate reaction? "WTH". ba'a this person closes this page in their browser and never returns back to this website. Sure, even my templates won't help much which means that the design still needs to be improved a lot.

Now I estimate the number unique visitors a month to lojban.org/tiki at ~3000. Where are those people? Why don't they come here or to IRC channel? ju'o sa'u The presentation of information is broken.

http://groups.google.com/group/lojban

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