Re: [lojban] Lexicon Valley: Will Learning a "Logical" Language Make You Think More Logically?

["John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

The Finn test sounds less like the Whorf Hypothesis and more like Whorf the insurance investigator and the article on the dangers of empty oil drums.  Both seem based on morphology rather than syntax, for example.  And the difference in language learning may be evidence for cultural other than linguistic conditioning.
Then dozen ways of saying "and" in Lojban are mostly transformation ally determined variants of truth functional "and", not different concepts, and similarly for '"if" and the score of "or"s.  Lack of gender seems to have had disappointingly little effect on sexism.  Number has mixed reports.  Not that either has much to say about the Whorf Hypothesis.

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On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:16, "John E. Clifford" <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hintikka tells about the effort involved in getting the minimal passing grade in Swedish in Schools in Finland.
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> On Dec 11, 2013, at 22:56, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
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>> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 14:43:41 John E. Clifford wrote:
>>> Well, it has the history somewhat skewed and almost all the usual errors
>>> about the Whorf Hypothesis, but a decent sketch of what most people and
>>> Wikipedia think this is all about.  And no, logical languages don't make ou
>>> more logical nor does the hypothesis nor JCB in his saner moments claim
>>> they would.
>> 
>> I've read of an actual test of the hypothesis - not a set-up experiment, but 
>> an observation of two existing groups of people. There is a noticeable 
>> difference in the kinds of industrial accidents that Swedish-speaking Finns and 
>> Finnish-speaking Finns get into; it was traced to the different ways the two 
>> languages encode spatiotemporal ideas. Finns who learned one language at home 
>> are required to learn the other in school (except in Åland), so it's not just 
>> knowing the language that makes the difference, but learning it first.
>> 
>> Lojban has at least ten ways of saying "and", several ways of saying "if", a 
>> large set of specific prepositions, both spatial and temporal tenses, and full 
>> clusivity. On the other hand, it lacks grammatical number and gender. What 
>> effect would learning Lojban as one's first language have on the mind?
>> 
>> Pierre
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>> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
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