[lojban] [oz] Abstractors

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>]

Let me start with a very specific issue: The abstractors used in kakne2 appear to be inconsistent. For reference, some examples:

(1) {la màxpre cu cèrtu te cànge gi'e kàkne lo ka kùrji lo bàrda te crèpu}
(2) {na kàkne lo nu fa'a ni'a klàma}
(3) {mi na kàkne lo nu gànse}
(4) {cy kàkne lo ka vìska du'i lo nu co'e ca lo dònri}
(5) {da poi ma'a kàkne lo nu sìpna bu'u ke'a ze'a lo nìcte}
(6) {lo nànmu cu kàkne lo nu mùvgau sy zu'e ny po'o}
(7) {mi kàkne lo ka ru'u mùvdu tai lo xagdù'i be lo me lo pùrci moi}
(8) {la tìnci mùdypre na kàkne lo ka kàrgau lo ri mòklu}
(9) {my di'a kàkne lo ka tàvla}

(grep counted 30 occurrences of {kàkne lo ka} and 10 of {kàkne lo nu})

I strongly believe that kakne2 should be a ka-abstraction.

It is as intentional as it can be. Chiefly, no event, real, or imaginary, need exist for the kakne property to hold.

Even if you pose that there are "potential events" related to the ability, no specific one is hardly relevant to the statement, but their common characteristic, precisely encoded by a property.

I also believe that many people are confused by ka-abstractions with action selbri (which kakne2 often are) because our archetypes of properties are stagnant states such as "being red".

It really is a peculiarity of Lojban that the translations of "I am red" and "I give you money" have such similar syntaxes. This is what makes {do mo}, and {do ckaji ma}, mean at the same time "who are you?", "what have you done?", "what are you doing here?", etc., where different possibilities may be more salient depending on context.

By the way, there are other uses of {kàkne} that are more subtly related to the issue. E.g.,

(10) {gàsnu ro lo se kàkne be se va'u do}

I would adjust that to

(11) {ckàji ro lo se kàkne be se va'u do}.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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