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Re: [lojban] [oz] Abstractors






On 6 January 2014 19:20, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la .asiz. cusku di'e

Let me start with a very specific issue:

I'm sorry you had to write such a long post for what is going to be a relatively simple answer.

I wrote to everyone.
 
The story is this: When I started translating Oz, I was still using {nu} with predicates like {troci}, but some way in I finally made the switch to {ka}. I thought I had replaced most {kakne lo nu} by now, but apparently there still are a few left.


A simple search and replace should purge this problem.
 
It is good that you bring this up, however, because I want people to know that the intended form is indeed the {kakne lo ka} one, and anything else in kakne2 is a left-over from before and should be considered a typo.

I will list a few other predicates that I now thing should not use {nu}, but which I used to use with {nu} (please feel free to add cases where these are used with {nu} to the list of errata spreadsheet):
kakne, troci, snada, cpedu, minde, zukte, nitcu, bilga, certu, ...

(keep in mind, though, that I do make intentional use of polymorphism sometimes)


I agree with the whole list! I will keep an eye from chapter 5 on; I was being liberal so far. This makes participation of lo ca pu'o tcidu in the Errata particularly useful.
 
By the way, there are other uses of {kākne} that are more subtly related
to the issue. E.g.,

(10) {gāsnu ro lo se kākne be se va'u do}

Yes. Same thing as before, though this sort of case is why I kept on using {nu} with the likes of {kakne} and {troci}. I thought it was too useful to be able to say {lo se troci cu rinka lo nu morsi}. I finally got persuaded to change my mind, though, so this is no longer a sentence I would defend as being entirely correct.


You should say {lo te troci cu rinka lo nu morsi} or {lo nu troci cu rinka lo nu morsi}, right?




On 6 January 2014 19:35, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:



On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 7:20 PM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la .asiz. cusku di'e

(10) {gāsnu ro lo se kākne be se va'u do}

I would adjust that to

(11) {ckāji ro lo se kākne be se va'u do}.

I will change it to {gasnu ro lo jai se kakne be se va'u do}.

Wouldn't "zukte ro lo se kakne be se va'u do" work? 

Agreed.  selpa'i?


mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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