Re: [lojban] Quoting with ZOI can be ambigious

[Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com>]

On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:00:27 -0200
Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> (2) and (3) are not possible interpretations, because the initial
> delimiter word must be followed by a pause (represented either by a
> space or by a dot) and the final delimiter word must be preceded by a
> pause (represented by either a space or a dot).
But dots are entirely optional.
Please show me the part of the Reference Grammar where it says that a
space represents a pause.
I really don’t believe this, otherwise, texts “i se ni'i bo” would be
equivalent to “i.se.ni'i.bo”

If you think you know how to quote correctly, please show me how the
following strings are quoted unambigiously using “zoi”:
(1) “”
(2) “.”
(3) “..”
(4) “. .”
(4) “ ”
(5) “  ”
(6) “ . ”
Also show me how you came up with the examples and show me how I can
reconstruct that using the existing rules.

> So the character
> immediately after the initial delimiter word (which has to be either
> a period or a space) is not part of the quote, and the same applies
> to the character right in front of the final delimiter word.
> 
> You don't really need to make the dot mandatory, you can just say
> that the character immediately following the initial delimiter and
> the one immediately preceding the final delimiter are not part of the
> quote. That character must always be either a space or a dot. It is
> also not necessary to require that the character be repeated when you
> want to quote the empty string.
Well, I suggested to make points mandatory for readability. I think
permittings spaces, too would make it slightly more difficult to tell
where the string starts and where it ends. Also it would permit strange
constructions like one delimeter has a dot while the other one has a
space.
But your variant of the proposal seems (!) okay as well. I am now
arguing more from a practical than from a grammatical point of view.

But no matter how it is going to be addressed, it at least has to be
addressed. At the end of the day, I really want to see a clarification
in the Reference Grammar. The most important thing to me is to have a
clarification, less important are style issues.

Greetings!
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