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Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo
la .guskant. cu cusku di'e
{lo sidbo} does not refer to one or more individuals, because, for every
{lo sidbo xi my}, there is another {lo sidbo xi ny} such that {lo sidbo
xi ny cu me lo sidbo xi my i naku lo sidbo xi my cu me lo sidbo xi ny},
therefore {lo sidbo xi my} does not satisfy the condition for being an
individual {RO DA poi ke'a me lo sidbo xi my zo'u lo sidbo xi my cu me
DA}. It means that there is no individual {lo sidbo} in this universe of
discourse. Therefore {lo sidbo} is neither an individual nor individuals.
To me it looks more like this entire process of sub-grouping is a
strawman. I don't see why I should be forced to sub-divide {lo sidbo}
into infinitely large {lo sidbo be ny} when I could just as well just
look at each individual {sidbo} in isolation.
[ s1 , s2 , s3 , ... ]
Why can't I just look at s1 by itself, and s2 by itself and so on? For
each s_x, it holds that:
ro'oi da poi ke'a me s_x zo'u: s_x me da
So each s_x is an individual.
And maybe this helps: Do you see a difference between "referent" and
"individual"? What do you consider the difference to be?
Yes. The identity of referent is defined as follows:
"X are the same thing as Y" =ca'e {X me Y ije Y me X}
On the other hand, "an individual" is defined as follows:
"X is an individual" =ca'e {RO DA poi ke'a me X zo'u X me DA}
Each s_x satisfies the definition of "individual". Any pair of {s_x,
s_y} fails the "sameness" condition. The two definitions don't exclude
each other.
Every sumti has certain referents, and it might have the same referents
as another sumti, in which case the two sumti are "the same", or they
might have different referents, in which case the two sumti are not the
same. In either case, the referents themselves are individuals.
mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
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