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Re: [lojban] [oz] {ze'a lo nu ko'a jmive}



  Two points.  First, why does "lo nu ko'a jmive" have to refer to an entire lifespan?  Am I not living between 10 AM and 11AM this morning?  Is that span not a "nu ko'a jmive"? (It seems you would be happier if there were a "pi so'e" before the "lo nu..." )

  Second, oddly enough, it happens to agree with my own (admittedly, non-CLL-standard) interpretation of ZEhA/VEhA+SUMTI, namely that it "ze'i ko'a" means "during a small portion of ko'a"; "ze'a ko'a" "about half the duration of ko'a"; "ze'u ko'a", "during most of ko'a", and "ze'e ko'a", "during all of ko'a".  My argument for these are that otherwise ZEhA+SUMTI doesn't make things relative to the sumti, in an analogous manner as PU+SUMTI,  FAhA+SUMTI, BAI+SUMTI etc do (and, I would argue, as should VA/ZI+SUMTI).  Otherwise what's the point of having four different versions when they would all mean the same length of time/distance?)

  (I know the arguments against this interpretation, but just throwing it out there).

                        --gejyspa



On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com> wrote:
Examples:
(1) {ba lo nu lo mi pàtfu cu mrobì'o kei mi kùrji lo mi tolcì'o màmta ze'a lo nu my cu jmìve}
(2) {mi ta ba dàmba ze'a lo nu mi jmìve}

I get {lo nu ko'a jmive} to refer to the whole life of ko'a, but these examples clearly refer only to part of its life. In the case of (1), the widowhood. In the case of (2), to the presence of the fouls.

Arguing that {nunji'e} is distributive won't help, since this would make the sentences less than informative.

What about {renvi}?

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.

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