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Re: [lojban] vamji


On 13/04/2014 20:26, Jorge Llambías wrote:

On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com> wrote:

Could somebody enlighten me by providing a couple of example sentences using all of {vamji}'s argument places? (Preferably not for monetary value usages, as {jdima} is a better word for that purpose.)

The x4 is kind of forced, but I understand it as this:

  lo vi cukta cu se vamji lo mutce mi lo nu tadni
  This book is worth a lot to me for studying.
Mmh this looks like an use of {vajni}. I'd have expected [This book] to be a sumti raising (jai...).


For example, how would you translate «The film is well worth seeing.» in Lojban?

I would say that's an example of so-called "tough movement" in English:


It could be paraphrased as "It is well worth seeing the film." which would go into Lojban as:

     lo nu catlu lo skina cu se vamji lo mutce

Now to raise "lo skina" to the main clause you would need:

    lo skina cu jai se vamji lo mutce fai lo ka catlu ce'u

so the corresponding -able/-ible suffix is as simple as -jaxselva'i  :)

mu'o mi'e xorxes


In your previous example, you used an object as vamji-2, and now you're using an event. I still don't understand the nature and role of vamji's arguments and how they relate to each other.
This gismu seems to be bloated; I don't see why 4 core arguments are necessary.

Perhaps the relation between vamji-1 and vamji-2 is similar to that between dukse-2 and dukse-1 (respectively)? Otherwise I don't see what vamji-1 is all about.

The corpus usage of vamji-1 seems somewhat inconsistent:

• https://www.alexburka.com/~danr/#?stats_reduce=word&cqp=[tags%20_%3D%20%22vamji1%22]&search_tab=1&within=sentence&hpp=100&search=cqp


I wonder how you would have defined vamji's argument structure if you had never seen vamji's definition as it stands in the gimste.

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o

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