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Re: [lojban] Possession/transfer/exchange predicates




On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

punji2 or punji3 being a property?

With the "property as a portable possession" metaphor, punji2 could be a property of punji3. That's the metaphor we've been talking about for all those gismu where that the gismu list makes the "pedantically"comment.

With the "property as a location" metaphor, used for example in denpa3 and in xruti3 and xruti4 (or xruti2 and xruti3 with my preferred version of xruti), then it would be the other way around, punji3 a property of punji2:

doi nobli .e'o ko punji lo ka virnu kei lo mi risna
"Lord, put courage into my heart!"

lo skina pu punji mi lo ka gleki cinmo
"The movie put me in a happy mood." 
 
not sure how to use properties in {jmina}.

lo sfofa cu jmina lo ka se kufra kei lo kumfa
The sofa adds comfort to the room.
 

jbera2=property of x3?

Of x1 I would say.
 
cuxna2= any type, property of x1?

Yes (and in that case cuxna3 should also be a plural number of properties of x1. 

sarji. any examples with a property?

x4 could be a property of x1.
 
ferti2. is it to be a metaphor when property is used?

I don't think the line between metaphor and literalness is clear in all this.
  
xaksu2?

ko'a xaksu lo ka citno
 
tisna2?

ko'a tisna lo ka jgira 

ralte2 being a property sounds strange. {mi ralte lo ka bilma}? If so it should have a different gloss rather than just "to keep".

It doesn't work well with non-agentive properties such as bilma, you need an agentive property, a property that x1 could be responsible for keeping:

  ko'a ralte lo ka catke lo karce

mu'o mi'e xorxes
 

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