Re: [lojban] Possession/transfer/exchange predicates

[Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

2014-06-11 1:41 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 5:45 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

canja/cerda/cirko/cnemu/dirba/dunda/friti/jdima

not sure what jdima1 should connect to.

the price of getting (becoming a possesor of) an apple or the price of giving an apple (giving a possesion)?

x1 is what x3 must give up or endure in order to get x2 from x4. If it's a property, it should be a property of x3.

x2 could also be a property of x3.

/jerna/jinga/kargu

kargu1 - property of x2???

Right. For example "lo ka melbi cu kargu ko'a".  

/pleji

pleji4=property of pleji3

A case could be made for it being a property of x1, but maybe x3 wins just because it's closer.

/prali/vamji

i forgot how to use vamji4

lo te vamji ka'e pilno lo se vamji lo ve vamji

I guess vamji4 has two ce'u linking to x2  and x3?

 

If we search for "sumti-raising" we get those 15 plus xajmi and djica.

not sure why xajmi1 should be a property of x2.

 xajmi1 probably shouldn't be a property. .  

Still it is possible of course. {lo ka xalbebna cu xajmi mi}

But do we need to specify it in the definition? What else can ce'u in xajmi1 refer to if not to x2 (this of course make xajmi3 unnecessary)?

xajmi3 is a property of xajmi1. There are several words with this place structure pattern: mansa/vajni/cfipu/cizra/fange/zdile/trina/melbi/cnino/slabu/dicra/zunti/prali

All of them are assigned "klesi3=Split property" class. 

and quite a few others that could have been in that class as well but aren't: fanza/spaji/cinri/misno/xamgu?/xlali?/pluka?/rigni?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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