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Re: [lojban] Possession/transfer/exchange predicates

As of now I suggest that we have the following types:
1. "numeral"
2. "thing" (can be an object, an event but not a property). "thing" doesn't interact with other te sumti of the same brivla.
3. "property" (can have ce'u or may have ce'u omitted, thus it can always include "thing")
4. other subtypes of "thing": "sound", "text"

As of "located" it is to be replaced either with "property" of with "thing" where appropriate.


2014-06-14 21:29 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:



On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:27 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

punji2 or punji3 being a property?

With the "property as a portable possession" metaphor, punji2 could be a property of punji3.
That's the metaphor we've been talking about for all those gismu where that the gismu list makes the "pedantically"comment.

With the "property as a location" metaphor, used for example in denpa3

done. denpa3 =property of x1

I notice that you have left only properties in most of the possession places, but I think that's wrong.

Well, do you mean that there might be places that allow only "property" but not a "located"?

 
The property-as-possession metaphor should be the secondary meaning, not the main one.

I don't distinguish secondary and main meanings.
 
The main meaning should be for the concrete possession.

Then why not just state that our ad hoc term "property" denotes a place  where the main meaning is a non-{ce'u} place, and the secondary is a {ce'u}-place?

And the same should apply to the property-as-location metaphor. "dunda lo plise" is the basic sense, "dunda lo ka ponse lo plise" is a derived abstraction. "denpa fi lo panka" is the basic sense, "denpa fi lo ka zvati lo panka" is a derived abstraction.

 

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