Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership

Surely there are at least some c's (more than b's, it appears) who think that both CLL and current usage need work but that changes to all of these need to be guided by overarching goals.

On Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:02 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2014-09-11 19:48 GMT+04:00 TR NS <transfire@gmail.com>:

On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:20:54 PM UTC-4, Dustin Lacewell wrote:
TR NS,

This is the unifying reason the FAR MAJORITY of conlangs die! Accept this at face value!

I'd be concerned that a language that did not achieve its stated goals might also suffer the same fate. Regardless I will take it at face value, and conclude Lojban has reached a type of impasse, perhaps inevitable.

Clearly there are two camps of thought: There are those, like yourself, who wish to see the language frozen, unassailable from all but minor adjustments, wanting to get on with *using* the language, and see the language's death in any further modification. Then there are those who see a language that has not yet reached it's fruition --still in need of work, minor or significant, and in seeing those "holes", see a dead language in one that is no longer evolving.

I can see there are two major camps:

A. Language is frozen in what is both describes in CLL and is used + the language is at the same time open to backward compatible changes

B. IRC/mailing list usage decides. Everything else has sense only if doesn't contradict IRC/mailing list usage.

Scenario B completely ignores people who have paid their money to buy CLL to learn the most described language in the world.

As a temporary solution I can suggest that LLG sells the rest of the copies of CLL with a small handmade inset "How to use xorlo".

This should have been done in 2003 of course since xorlo is really backward non-compatible and thus damaged the spread and the development of Lojban by diverting newcomers.

There is no reconciliation of these two views. The only solution is a fork.

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