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Re: [lojban] the future of Lojban's leadership


On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Robert LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:
On 9/10/2014 5:57 PM, Jorge Llambías wrote:

 It's very easy: always use "lo", you never have to use any other gadri.

Then "lo" is not veridical, and it does not mean what it used to mean. Because sometimes, what I have in mind is NOT what I describe it to be.  "The blue house" that I have in mind is actually multicolored, with blue merely distinguishing it from some other house that isn't as obviously (to me) described as "blue"

Remember though that "lo blanu zdani" doesn't need to be blue even with veridical "lo".

If the thing you're describing is not even a house, you can refer to it as "lo se skicu be mi bei do bei lo ka blanu zdani".

If you find yourself repeating "lo se skicu be mi bei do bei lo ka" too much, you can always shorten it to "le", but you don't have to. This doesn't happen much in practice.
 

    le is not necessarily singular (or plural), but I certainly have
    some concept of what events of swimming (that I am fond of) are, and
    I am, referring to one or more of such events.

 With CLL-le you were saying that you like each one of them, right. but
the point is that that's not what "I like swimming" means.

I like each act that I am describing to be an event of swimming, which acts may or may not actually be acts of swimming, and are almost certainly a tiny fraction of all possible events that someone might describe as events of swimming.

Fine, but the point was that that's not what "I like swimming" means, not that it's not true or that it doesn't mean what you wanted to say.

Perhaps it's even more clear in the negative: compare  "mi na nelci le
nu limna" vs "I don't like swimming".

 Not more clear for the same reason.  The events are those that I don't like but am describing as events of swimming.

With CLL-le, it's at least one of them that you say you don't like. See? You are in fact using xorlo-le, not CLL-le. Your explanation of what you mean is what it means with xorlo. Remember that with CLL gadri you are in fact saying "mi na nelci _ro_ le nu limna", i.e. it's not true that you like all of them, but you may like some of them. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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