* Sunday, 2014-10-26 at 22:33 +0100 - Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>: > On 22/10/2014 02:22, Martin Bays wrote: > > Is {broda xoi xo'i [tag] ke'a} not equivalent to {[tag] broda}? > Not really. Yes, that was wrong in quite a few ways. Thanks. > {fi'o broda xy} has a rather vague semantic, it's not clear > how the bridi is related to the fact/event of "xy broda". > > However I think {fi'o xo'i TAG} = {TAG}, by definition. I guess that can't be literally true, since the former is vague as you say while the latter isn't. > {xo'i}'s purpose is to allow using directly the predicates that are > underlying sumtcita whose associated predicate hasn't any Lojban > predicate word (e.g. {pu'i}, {nu'o}, {za'o} and the like). > However I'm not fond of {xo'i}, I'd rather prefer the missing sumtcita > predicates to be given a real predicate word and be done with it. :) It's useful for the kind of formal conversions this thread is mostly about, though. I don't know how to handle {pe [tag]} without using {xo'i} (and without having a lookup table to find an appropriate selbri). By the way: if we take {broda} to be equivalent to {da fasnu gi'e nu broda}, is {broda xoi brodu} equivalent to {da fasnu gi'e nu broda kei gi'e brodu}? Martin
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