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[lojban] pragmatics of {lo se nei}



{lo nei} is quite useful, e.g. {li lumci lo nei}.
Any useful examples of {lo se nei}, {lo te nei} etc.?
Of course one could say 
* {lo se nei cu lumci mi} = useless
*{mi klama lo te nei la bastn} = why not {ri}?

However, are there any pragmatic examples where {lo SE nei} would create conciseness or would be highly desirable?


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