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Re: [lojban] BPFK Section: Non-logical Connectives



On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Me and R have been discussing religious teaching methods.


  No, because lo casnu is specifically defined as being a mass, which "joi" creates
Here I agree, casnu1 only makes sense nondistributively, so {joi} is clearly correct. If you accept that {jo'u} builds lo-groups (see my next paragraph), then {jo'u} would also be correct, but "lazily" so. va'i it's correct because it always is, not because it's really the right tool for the job in this case.

Isn't this example wrong?

What about the other two examples? Shouldn't {jo'u} or {ce} work better here:

la .djan. joi la .pitr. cu re mei
John and Peter are two.


  Again, no, because lo remei is defined as a mass.  You could use ce to make lo se remei, though.  And I believe that la djan jo'u la pitr would actually be two pamei, not a remei
Here at least in the usual IRC dialect I disagree. We've identified the "lo plural type" as being constructed by {jo'u}, since otherwise {jo'u} seemed rather useless and because we didn't have any other way to refer to this type that we literally use in almost every sentence. For similar reasons mei1 includes lo-groups in the IRC dialect. I have forgotten whether it continuous to include masses. If it doesn't then we need a {brode} such that {loi PA broda cu brode li PA}.

 
la jegvon cu cevni le xriso joi le xebro joi le muslo
Jehovah is the god of the Christians, the Jews and the Muslims.

  You could use jo'u here, yes.
Here either seems fine to me.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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