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Re: [lojban] BPFK Section: Non-logical Connectives
la latro'a cu cusku di'e
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com <mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com <mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>> wrote:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+Non-logical+Connectives
mi joi ry. ze'a casnu lo lijda ctuca tadji
Me and R have been discussing religious teaching methods.
No, because lo casnu is specifically defined as being a mass,
which "joi" creates
Here I agree, casnu1 only makes sense nondistributively, so {joi} is
clearly correct. If you accept that {jo'u} builds lo-groups (see my next
paragraph), then {jo'u} would also be correct, but "lazily" so. va'i
it's correct because it always is, not because it's really the right
tool for the job in this case.
I don't see what's "lazy" about a plural satisfying a predicate
collectively.
Isn't this example wrong?
What about the other two examples? Shouldn't {jo'u} or {ce} work
better here:
la .djan. joi la .pitr. cu re mei
John and Peter are two.
Again, no, because lo remei is defined as a mass. You could use
ce to make lo se remei, though. And I believe that la djan jo'u la
pitr would actually be two pamei, not a remei
Here at least in the usual IRC dialect I disagree. We've identified the
"lo plural type" as being constructed by {jo'u}, since otherwise {jo'u}
seemed rather useless and because we didn't have any other way to refer
to this type that we literally use in almost every sentence.
This is not an IRC invention; it's been in the BPFK pages for over 10
years, thanks to xorxes. Credit where credit is due.
For similar
reasons mei1 includes lo-groups in the IRC dialect. I have forgotten
whether it continuous to include masses.
Unless you are proposing a polymorphic/ambiguous {mei}, this doesn't
make a lot of sense. {mei} let's you say how many referents a sumti has,
it doesn't matter what you put in the x1 - {lo ci cinfo} has three
referents, while {lo [pa] gunma be lo ci cinfo} has one referent.
If it doesn't then we need a
{brode} such that {loi PA broda cu brode li PA}.
See {cmimei}.
mi'e la selpa'i mu'o
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