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Re: [lojban] BPFK Section: Non-logical Connectives



I don't see what's "lazy" about a plural satisfying a predicate collectively.
It's just not specifying what sort of plural is being used, which is very slightly lazy. It's not any particular concern.

        Isn't this example wrong?

        What about the other two examples? Shouldn't {jo'u} or {ce} work
        better here:

        la .djan. joi la .pitr. cu re mei
        John and Peter are two.


       Again, no, because lo remei is defined as a mass.  You could use
    ce to make lo se remei, though.  And I believe that la djan jo'u la
    pitr would actually be two pamei, not a remei

Here at least in the usual IRC dialect I disagree. We've identified the
"lo plural type" as being constructed by {jo'u}, since otherwise {jo'u}
seemed rather useless and because we didn't have any other way to refer
to this type that we literally use in almost every sentence.

This is not an IRC invention; it's been in the BPFK pages for over 10 years, thanks to xorxes. Credit where credit is due.
Fair enough.

For similar
reasons mei1 includes lo-groups in the IRC dialect. I have forgotten
whether it continuous to include masses.

Unless you are proposing a polymorphic/ambiguous {mei}, this doesn't make a lot of sense. {mei} let's you say how many referents a sumti has, it doesn't matter what you put in the x1 - {lo ci cinfo} has three referents, while {lo [pa] gunma be lo ci cinfo} has one referent.
While that is how I've been viewing it for some time, you can see from the discussion here that the definition at least suggests that it is for saying how many members each mass has. Given that "how many referents a sumti has" wasn't really a thing in the language before xorlo (as far as I can tell), this should probably get clearly documented on the website. Preferably in a fashion which makes it reachable from the "how to use xorlo" page.

If it doesn't then we need a
{brode} such that {loi PA broda cu brode li PA}.

See {cmimei}.
Good enough I suppose. It really doesn't have anything inherently to do with sets, though, so that's a bit annoying.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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