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Re: [lojban] {la .alis.} book
Michael Everson, On 27/05/2015 18:00:
On 27 May 2015, at 16:42, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, a glottal stop is a consonant, and a pause is a pause.
And both phonetically realize phoneme /./.
A pause of indeterminate length is a phoneme?
A pause of indeterminate length is phonetic realization of a phoneme.
But why would one expect consistency with regard to a grammatical feature that is expressly variable?
Because Lojban is hard enough and there are no native speakers?
Lojban's design is not at all optimized to make life easy for its learners or speakers. Its users could adopt conventions that eschew many elements of its design, in order to make life easier for its users, but that requires a consensus in usage and entails a de facto repudiation of those many elements eschewed.
A rough analogy from English is the omissibility of _that_ from the start of complement clauses (e.g. "He knows (that) she is"): what lunatic would 'regularize' an English text by restoring every omitted _that_? And would you make overt *every* covert terminator?
It seems to me that a relative pronoun is different from a state
process.
That _that_ isn't a relative pronoun. I don't understand what a 'state process' is. Like Lojban's terminators, clausal ('subordinating conjunction', 'complementizer') _that_ is usually but not always omissible without affecting sentence meaning.
(With regard to the _that_ that introduces relative clauses, the case for analysing bare relatives as containing a null _that_ is more complicated and hence perhaps weaker than the case for analysing bare complement clauses as containing a null _that_.)
If lu/li’u is regular, why shouldn’t sei/se’u be?
sei/se'u is regular; it just is regular according to rules less simple than you would prefer.
--And.
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